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Re: SB81=Sucking up to Veterans. Waste of time & ink.

Postby Morne » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:20 pm

Got a link to that article?

And yeah - here we are back to lame duck garbage. Makes me very unhappy. :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Re: SB81=Sucking up to Veterans. Waste of time & ink.

Postby Tru-Heathen » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:36 pm

Just heard the announcement on the WTVN 610am radio.
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Re: SB81=Sucking up to Veterans. Waste of time & ink.

Postby rickt » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:37 pm

Morne wrote:Got a link to that article?

And yeah - here we are back to lame duck garbage. Makes me very unhappy. :evil: :evil: :evil:


It's a press release from the Gov himself.

http://www.governor.ohio.gov/Media-Room/Press-Releases/ArticleId/966/kasich-announces-actions-on-eleven-bills-8-3-18
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Re: SB81=Sucking up to Veterans. Waste of time & ink.

Postby WhyNot » Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:31 am

re: ''...governor supported the reforms, worked with the General Assembly to find common ground and waited patiently for the legislative process to work, but in the end politics won the day and no action was taken. The governor is a...''

but in the end politics won the day and no action was taken

NO, in the end FREEDOM won the day and no action was taken. The legislative process DID work. Leastways as of now, 2019 is not here yet.

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Re: SB81=Sucking up to Veterans. Waste of time & ink.

Postby kwc » Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:57 am

When will S.B. 81 go into effect?
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Re: SB81=Sucking up to Veterans. Waste of time & ink.

Postby JustaShooter » Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:30 am

kwc wrote:When will S.B. 81 go into effect?


91 days after it is filed with the Secretary of State, which, since the Governor didn't sign it, would be 10 days (excluding Sundays) after it was submitted to the Governor. I don't know the date it was submitted to the Governor so I don't know the exact date but it will be about the first week of November based on the date of his statement that he was going to let it become law without his signature.
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Re: SB81=Sucking up to Veterans. Waste of time & ink.

Postby rickt » Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:47 am

At some point, the Secretary of State's staff will post the effective date here:

https://www.sos.state.oh.us/historical-documents/laws-of-ohio/current-session/
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Re: SB81=Sucking up to Veterans. Waste of time & ink.

Postby Jim-in-Toledo » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:01 pm

According to: http://www.governor.ohio.gov/Media-Room/Press-Releases/ArticleId/966/kasich-announces-actions-on-eleven-bills-8-3-18
The governor will not put his signature on Senate Bill 81, letting it become law according to Article II, Section 16 of the Ohio Constitution on Monday, August 6, 2018, when it will be filed with the Ohio Secretary of State’s office.
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Re: SB81=Sucking up to Veterans. Waste of time & ink.

Postby JustaShooter » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:33 am

Jim-in-Toledo wrote:According to: http://www.governor.ohio.gov/Media-Room/Press-Releases/ArticleId/966/kasich-announces-actions-on-eleven-bills-8-3-18
The governor will not put his signature on Senate Bill 81, letting it become law according to Article II, Section 16 of the Ohio Constitution on Monday, August 6, 2018, when it will be filed with the Ohio Secretary of State’s office.

If it is filed with the SoS today, 91 days later is Monday November 5th.
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Re: SB81=Sucking up to Veterans. Waste of time & ink.

Postby M-Quigley » Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:57 am

Statement from Kasich from the link: (comment in parenthesis is not exact quote but an accurate representation of reality)

But while this legislation has merit and the governor’s support, he believes that the next piece of gun-related legislation that he signs needs to be the package of common sense reforms that has been introduced and which will (in some fantasy world) provide valuable tools to reduce gun violence. Therefore, the governor will not put his signature on Senate Bill 81


So even though he thinks it's the right thing to do, he's not going to sign it simply because he didn't get the gun control measures he wanted along with it. :(
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Re: SB81=Sucking up to Veterans. Waste of time & ink.

Postby Chuck » Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:00 am

A wimpy version of a temper tantrum
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Re: SB81=Sucking up to Veterans. Waste of time & ink.

Postby kwc » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:14 am

Thanks for the responses regarding the effective date of the bill.
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Re: SB81=Sucking up to Veterans. Waste of time & ink.

Postby bignflnut » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:02 am

The total amount to be waived is capped at $1.5 million per year. That translates to 22,388 veterans to be allowed free concealed carry permits in Ohio each year. The veterans have to be on active duty or have left the service with an honorable discharge. A DD214 form is considered sufficient proof of service.

The Sheriffs are required to report to the Attorney General of Ohio, each time a license is issued to veterans. The Attorney General is responsible to inform sheriffs when the total amount of fees waived has reached $1.5 million.

If, as expected, the numbers of fees waived are made available to the public, the percentage of people who are issued concealed carry permits who are veterans will be available. It is expected that veterans make up a disproportionate number of people with carry permits. There are about 20 million veterans in the United States, or about seven percent of the U.S. adult population.

In 2017, Ohio had 623,000 active concealed carry permits. Ohio passed its shall issue concealed carry law in 2004. Ohio issued 158,000 new and renewed licenses in 2016. In 2017, Ohio issued 131,000 new and renewed licenses.

An effective date has not been assigned to SB 81 as of the time of this writing.


While nobody is going to sue on the basis of official discrimination against the non-veteran, it would be refreshing to have the State explain why certain people should avoid a tax while others should be taxed to access this "privilege" as opposed to a natural right. Justify the two-tiered system.
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Re: SB81=Sucking up to Veterans. Waste of time & ink.

Postby schmieg » Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:44 pm

bignflnut wrote:While nobody is going to sue on the basis of official discrimination against the non-veteran, it would be refreshing to have the State explain why certain people should avoid a tax while others should be taxed to access this "privilege" as opposed to a natural right. Justify the two-tiered system.

I'm sure it would be justified on the same basis that veterans receive extra points for civil service exams or receive special license plates at no additional charge while non-vet special plates incur an additional charge or that certain combat veterans sometimes receive a bonus from the state for their service..
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Re: SB81=Sucking up to Veterans. Waste of time & ink.

Postby JU-87 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:55 pm

bignflnut wrote:While nobody is going to sue on the basis of official discrimination against the non-veteran, it would be refreshing to have the State explain why certain people should avoid a tax while others should be taxed to access this "privilege" as opposed to a natural right. Justify the two-tiered system.


It's because us Veterans are SO MUCH BETTER than you folks who were never drafted, or just never chose to serve in the military.

Just kidding! We are NO better than you.

That's why I consider this bill "sucking up" to veterans.
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