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Postby ARMYADS » Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:59 pm

Can someone clairfy school safety zone for me. Is it the areas between the blinking lights when driving by the school :?:
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Re: School Safety Zone

Postby XDSC9G30 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:15 pm

IIRC it is within 1,000 feet of a school. Also remember that this does not apply to those with a CHL only OC'ing without a CHL.

The blinking lights is only for the speed limit.
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Re: School Safety Zone

Postby JediSkipdogg » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:18 pm

Also, it's 1000 ft from the property line, not the building. So if they have a huge field behind the school or a huge parking lot, it could extend very far from the building in those areas.
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Re: School Safety Zone

Postby Werz » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:32 pm

JediSkipdogg wrote:Also, it's 1000 ft from the property line, not the building. So if they have a huge field behind the school or a huge parking lot, it could extend very far from the building in those areas.

Actually, I think that needs to be clarified. That is the definition of "school zone" under federal law. 18 U.S.C. §921(a)(25). It is not the same as the definition of "school safety zone" under Ohio law. See R.C. 2901.01(C)
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Re: School Safety Zone

Postby sodbuster95 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:34 pm

JediSkipdogg wrote:Also, it's 1000 ft from the property line, not the building. So if they have a huge field behind the school or a huge parking lot, it could extend very far from the building in those areas.


That's a good point - dropping a "pin" on a map and drawing a circle with a 1,000' radius could result in problems.
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Re: School Safety Zone

Postby JediSkipdogg » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:40 pm

Werz wrote:
JediSkipdogg wrote:Also, it's 1000 ft from the property line, not the building. So if they have a huge field behind the school or a huge parking lot, it could extend very far from the building in those areas.

Actually, I think that needs to be clarified. That is the definition of "school zone" under federal law. 18 U.S.C. §921(a)(25). It is not the same as the definition of "school safety zone" under Ohio law. See R.C. 2901.01(C)


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Since I already typed it out once here is everything the original poster needs to know about School Zone Carry both State and Federal.

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Re: School Safety Zone

Postby glocksmith » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:57 pm

I had to walk somewhere the other day, and during the round trip, I passed within under 1000ft of two different schools. I got to thinking, they should have some sort of a marker...not necessarily a big ol sign...but maybe a bright painted line on the sidewalk or something? Sounds like a dumb idea, I know, but it's kind of hard to guesstimate where <1000 ft. from the property line is. In my neighborhood, there are many homes which are right smack next to the schools property line...so does that mean that those folks cannot OC in the own yard?

EDIT: Nevermind...2 (B) (i) of the linked doc refers to private property.
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Re: School Safety Zone

Postby Nick_c08 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:39 pm

"The state of Ohio utilizes the same language as the federal government for the definition of a school safety zone. The 1,000 foot distance of a school safety zone encompasses all public and private property within 1,000 feet of the property line of the school, not the distance from the buildings. "

Does this make my house a school safety zone since there is a school across the street and 1 block down from me? :shock:
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Re: School Safety Zone

Postby JediSkipdogg » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:50 pm

Nick_c08 wrote:"The state of Ohio utilizes the same language as the federal government for the definition of a school safety zone. The 1,000 foot distance of a school safety zone encompasses all public and private property within 1,000 feet of the property line of the school, not the distance from the buildings. "

Does this make my house a school safety zone since there is a school across the street and 1 block down from me? :shock:


Private property is exempt. Step in the street and you better have a CHL if you have a firearm on you.
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Re: School Safety Zone

Postby Nick_c08 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:59 pm

JediSkipdogg wrote:
Nick_c08 wrote:"The state of Ohio utilizes the same language as the federal government for the definition of a school safety zone. The 1,000 foot distance of a school safety zone encompasses all public and private property within 1,000 feet of the property line of the school, not the distance from the buildings. "

Does this make my house a school safety zone since there is a school across the street and 1 block down from me? :shock:


Private property is exempt. Step in the street and you better have a CHL if you have a firearm on you.


I have my CHL, I didn't read that whole thing but the part that says "encompasses all public and private property within 1,000 feet" caught my attention
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Re: School Safety Zone

Postby JediSkipdogg » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:33 pm

Nick_c08 wrote:
JediSkipdogg wrote:
Nick_c08 wrote:"The state of Ohio utilizes the same language as the federal government for the definition of a school safety zone. The 1,000 foot distance of a school safety zone encompasses all public and private property within 1,000 feet of the property line of the school, not the distance from the buildings. "

Does this make my house a school safety zone since there is a school across the street and 1 block down from me? :shock:


Private property is exempt. Step in the street and you better have a CHL if you have a firearm on you.


I have my CHL, I didn't read that whole thing but the part that says "encompasses all public and private property within 1,000 feet" caught my attention


I will work on rewording part of that. Yes, it's the same meaning however another exception is...

c) The person is in the school safety zone in accordance with 18 U.S.C. 922(q)(2)(B).
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Re: School Safety Zone

Postby Cruiser » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:56 pm

JediSkipdogg wrote:
Nick_c08 wrote:"The state of Ohio utilizes the same language as the federal government for the definition of a school safety zone. The 1,000 foot distance of a school safety zone encompasses all public and private property within 1,000 feet of the property line of the school, not the distance from the buildings. "

Does this make my house a school safety zone since there is a school across the street and 1 block down from me? :shock:


Private property is exempt. Step in the street and you better have a CHL if you have a firearm on you.

Also you are OK if you are legally "transporting" any legal firearm.
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Re: School Safety Zone

Postby SMMAssociates » Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:58 am

About the only thing hiding in there for licensees is that OH doesn't recognize any out-of-state reciprocity carry.

IOW, with an OH CHL, you can OC or CC off the school property but inside the 1000', but if you're carrying, for example, an FL license instead, you're toast....

True "transport" (empty, locked in the trunk, etc.) is also an exemption - with or without any license, presuming, of course, that you can legally own the gun at all.

The intent of the law appears to be keeping armed gang-bangers and drug dealers from congregating near a school. Seems to work really well, doesn't it :( ....

NONE of this permits carrying, or even having the gun with you, whether "transport" or carrying (or in the glovebox) inside the school property line, or at school functions (yet another area to argue about), except for a very limited (and also somewhat fuzzy) provision to allow picking up and dropping off your kids. (And that seems to require that you stay in the vehicle.)

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Re: School Safety Zone

Postby Werz » Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:11 am

JediSkipdogg wrote:
Werz wrote:
JediSkipdogg wrote:Also, it's 1000 ft from the property line, not the building. So if they have a huge field behind the school or a huge parking lot, it could extend very far from the building in those areas.

Actually, I think that needs to be clarified. That is the definition of "school zone" under federal law. 18 U.S.C. §921(a)(25). It is not the same as the definition of "school safety zone" under Ohio law. See R.C. 2901.01(C)


I'll make it easier....

Since I already typed it out once here is everything the original poster needs to know about School Zone Carry both State and Federal.

School Zone Carry

I hate to nitpick, but I think people need the most accurate information available.


That is not a true statement. I cited R.C. 2901.01(C) above, but maybe I should quote the contents of that division:

R.C. 2901.01(
C) As used in Title XXIX of the Revised Code:

(1) “School safety zone” consists of a school, school building, school premises, school activity, and school bus.

(2) “School,” “school building,” and “school premises” have the same meanings as in section 2925.01 of the Revised Code.

(3) “School activity” means any activity held under the auspices of a board of education of a city, local, exempted village, joint vocational, or cooperative education school district; a governing authority of a community school established under Chapter 3314. of the Revised Code; a governing board of an educational service center, or the governing body of a school for which the state board of education prescribes minimum standards under section 3301.07 of the Revised Code.

(4) “School bus” has the same meaning as in section 4511.01 of the Revised Code.

And here are the referenced definitions under the drug offenses chapter:

R.C. 2925.01
(Q) “School” means any school operated by a board of education, any community school established under Chapter 3314. of the Revised Code, or any nonpublic school for which the state board of education prescribes minimum standards under section 3301.07 of the Revised Code, whether or not any instruction, extracurricular activities, or training provided by the school is being conducted at the time a criminal offense is committed.
(R) “School premises” means either of the following:

(1) The parcel of real property on which any school is situated, whether or not any instruction, extracurricular activities, or training provided by the school is being conducted on the premises at the time a criminal offense is committed;

(2) Any other parcel of real property that is owned or leased by a board of education of a school, the governing authority of a community school established under Chapter 3314. of the Revised Code, or the governing body of a nonpublic school for which the state board of education prescribes minimum standards under section 3301.07 of the Revised Code and on which some of the instruction, extracurricular activities, or training of the school is conducted, whether or not any instruction, extracurricular activities, or training provided by the school is being conducted on the parcel of real property at the time a criminal offense is committed.

(S) “School building” means any building in which any of the instruction, extracurricular activities, or training provided by a school is conducted, whether or not any instruction, extracurricular activities, or training provided by the school is being conducted in the school building at the time a criminal offense is committed.


No reference to 1,000 feet anywhere in those definitions. The only reference that you may find to 1,000 feet is in the definition of "vicinity of a school" which is applied as an enhancement to drug offenses. See R.C. 2925.01(P). That provision has no effect on firearm offenses.
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Re: School Safety Zone

Postby TJW815 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:53 am

So, say you are mowing your grass, you have your weapon on your waist. You cross the sidewalk to mow the "easement." That in and of itself is a felony? (((this us assuming you live within 1k feet of school property)))


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